tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post4104430496353851073..comments2023-04-29T02:26:08.411-07:00Comments on The Harrogate Agenda: Demand Four - The People's Consent.Pete Northhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04172420184509249126noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-42862879731835195112018-12-20T23:48:29.479-08:002018-12-20T23:48:29.479-08:00I've read a book on Sortition covered here:-
...I've read a book on Sortition covered here:- <br /><br />https://harrogateagenda.blogspot.com/2018/01/sortition.html<br /><br />However, I believe the checks and balances outlined in our fourth demand are robust enough without complicating things with a citizens' assembly before a referendum. Niall Warryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815435878278635965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-14548980743834267352018-12-18T04:03:59.265-08:002018-12-18T04:03:59.265-08:00It may be worth looking at the Sortition Foundatio...It may be worth looking at the Sortition Foundation's website with their arguments for holding a citizens' assembly before a referendum. This may go some way to answering the objection that people's votes are based on disinformation.jsampson1945https://www.blogger.com/profile/02537831830793237262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-53823210145549499172018-12-03T00:08:35.549-08:002018-12-03T00:08:35.549-08:00Let's suppose the government wishes to pass a ...Let's suppose the government wishes to pass a law to ban all airguns then the 'people', given they meet all the bench marks, could demand a referendum for the 'people' to decide whether to accept that particular law or not. The referendum question would be relatively simple as it would just ask whether you accept the new law to ban all airguns or not.<br /><br />As to lessons being drawn from the 2016 referendum you are right that there are lessons that we can learn from it, some of which we already account for, like demanding a specific turnout of the electorate and a clear margin to overturn the law being contested.<br /><br />We are also aware that before going 'live' there would be extra work needed to beef up our fourth demand and the need for the introduction of an electronic voting system to reduce the costs and increase the participation. Niall Warryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815435878278635965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-23566613854182975962018-12-01T03:23:29.442-08:002018-12-01T03:23:29.442-08:00I don't understand the second sentence here.
I...I don't understand the second sentence here.<br />I can accept that THA referenda would be different from the 2016 one, but lessons might still be drawn from 2016 how not to run a referendum.jsampson1945https://www.blogger.com/profile/02537831830793237262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-74434163166696877052018-12-01T00:33:15.966-08:002018-12-01T00:33:15.966-08:00If you want the actual 'truth' about the E...If you want the actual 'truth' about the EU then you should read Dr North's blog EU Referendum. Niall Warryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815435878278635965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-34056266651943051402018-11-30T13:03:45.626-08:002018-11-30T13:03:45.626-08:00'The People's Consent' involves the pe...'The People's Consent' involves the people not government choosing what issues they want their say in. Also in the main any referendums achieved are to stop government policy.<br /><br />There is therefore a big difference between the 2016 EU referendum and our fourth demand. Niall Warryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815435878278635965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-60129745706489688002018-11-30T07:31:47.289-08:002018-11-30T07:31:47.289-08:00eutruth.org.ukeutruth.org.ukadam Hileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05432617319521244921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373780254831438828.post-53964953259174046492018-11-24T03:30:22.864-08:002018-11-24T03:30:22.864-08:00Experience of the 2016 referendum might modify a p...Experience of the 2016 referendum might modify a person's view of referenda. It seems to have settled nothing except to show that on the issue in question the nation is bitterly divided. It was characterized by disinformation rather than reasoned discussion. Since the referendum there has been much fury over the financing of the respective campaigns. This itself shows a complete lack of confidence in the public's ability to make rational decisions.jsampson1945https://www.blogger.com/profile/02537831830793237262noreply@blogger.com